Thursday, January 08, 2009

Keith Ellision on Israel and Gaza

Our Democratic, Muslim Congressman Keith Ellison said on TV that the world needs a solution to the Israel/Gaza problem.

I've got an idea. How about if Hamas stops firing rockets into Israel? That's all would take. Then we'll have peace. What is there to negotiate?

Ellison says there are two sides to this issue. He says there is "a legitimate Palestinian narrative that the world must hear."

Really? Israel completely pulled out of Gaza allowing the people of Gaza to establish their own independent country and the people of Gaza respond by electing a violent terrorist government committed to destroying Israel! What did they think was going to happen?

Then rather than improving the lives of the people of Gaza, Hamas spend millions of dollars on armaments and begin firing thousands of rockets at schools, hospitals, and innocent Jewish people. And Ellison says there are two sides? He says that "Israel has not been an angel in this" and that some on the Palestinian side have not helped with a constructive solution?

That's a little like saying there are two sides to the story of a woman who was gang raped because, after all, she was wearing a low cut dress and called her attackers names!

Ellison says he wants an immediate cessation of all hostilities.

Good idea, Keith. Buth where have you been the last several years when Hamas has pounded Israel with thousands of rockets? Where was your concern then?

Ellison says that we need the world's only superpower to use the means at our disposal to make the aggression stop.

Good idea, Keith. Perhaps we should send a brigade into Gaza to help Israel make the Hamas aggression stop...especially since Israel also got bombed from Lebanon today!

How on earth did this guy get elected to Congress? Oh, yeah, he comes from the state that just elected Al Franken to the Senate. Nuf said.

5 comments:

The Truth said...

Hey, Israel has been controlling the air, see and the land of Gaza and you call this pull out. If you have any knowledge about history, before an army comes to invade a city, they would strike a siege to starve its people and break its will so its invasion and therefore imposing their conditions will be easy. Gaza was under attack for all the duration of the post, so called, unilateral Israeli withdrawal. Israel brook the cease fire countless times and claimed that it let Gaza alone. What do you expect yourself to do, if you 41 years ago were expelled from what is now occupied by scum from all over the world (claiming it is their god's given land) and cornered in the most densely populated area on the face of the planet and then being subjected to 40+ years of military brutal occupation, and all what the oppressive Israeli regime is practicing against the Palestinians people for the sole reason is that they did not want to give the right up for resistance of the occupation.
Unfortunalty, the Gazzans are facing a ruthless blood thirsty war criminals that kill everything under their radar, never mind be it a UN school, or UN school or even a UN school... and they try to cover their shit with lies and it bigger than they can believe, and then they came back with the stupied Nazi argument: "militants were there". The world has yet to see one militant body among the killed by the so precisely precise laser guided smart (ass) bombs.

You should be ashamed of the shit that is your face, or never mind, you have nothing to be ashamed, because you have no soul!

Dennis said...

Hamas manages to sneak in thousands of rockets and other arms in their sickening attempt to kill innocent Israelis, but they couldn't manage to bring in food and supplies for their own people?

Hamas places their weapons and rockets in homes, schools and hospitals using their own people has human shields!

The U.N. had to stop sending humanitarian aid into Gaza because Hamas was killing the aid workers!

It is Hamas, not Israel, who are the real enemies of the people of Gaza.

The Truth said...

You must not understand, or should I say not willing to acknowledge the gravity of the Holocaust committed by the Zionist against the unarmed civilians in the Gaza Concentration Camp. Hell fire rockets are not comparable to kitchen made rockets. To you knowledge the rockets used by Hamas (which did not break the truce, unlike what you have been told and you like to keep repeating) are old stocks and even if they sneak rockets it is their right to do so to face the horrible might of the occupying regime (4th strongest army in the world, that broke the truce on November 4th, like a thief in the night so no one will notice, and killed 6 Palestinians. the Zionist never honored a truce, contract or agreement. Let alone the 100 UN resolutions and mandates etc...)
I am trying to educate you and bring the truth in front of you and save you the hassle. Here what the American Conservative Magazine 26th January number will be featuring.

http://www.amconmag.com/article/2009/jan/26/00006/

Another War, Another Defeat PDF

The Gaza offensive has succeeded in punishing the Palestinians but not in making Israel more secure.

By John J. Mearsheimer

Israelis and their American supporters claim that Israel learned its lessons well from the disastrous 2006 Lebanon war and has devised a winning strategy for the present war against Hamas. Of course, when a ceasefire comes, Israel will declare victory. Don’t believe it. Israel has foolishly started another war it cannot win.

The campaign in Gaza is said to have two objectives: 1) to put an end to the rockets and mortars that Palestinians have been firing into southern Israel since it withdrew from Gaza in August 2005; 2) to restore Israel’s deterrent, which was said to be diminished by the Lebanon fiasco, by Israel’s withdrawal from Gaza, and by its inability to halt Iran’s nuclear program.

But these are not the real goals of Operation Cast Lead. The actual purpose is connected to Israel’s long-term vision of how it intends to live with millions of Palestinians in its midst. It is part of a broader strategic goal: the creation of a “Greater Israel.” Specifically, Israel’s leaders remain determined to control all of what used to be known as Mandate Palestine, which includes Gaza and the West Bank. The Palestinians would have limited autonomy in a handful of disconnected and economically crippled enclaves, one of which is Gaza. Israel would control the borders around them, movement between them, the air above and the water below them.

The key to achieving this is to inflict massive pain on the Palestinians so that they come to accept the fact that they are a defeated people and that Israel will be largely responsible for controlling their future. This strategy, which was first articulated by Ze’ev Jabotinsky in the 1920s and has heavily influenced Israeli policy since 1948, is commonly referred to as the “Iron Wall.”

What has been happening in Gaza is fully consistent with this strategy.

Let’s begin with Israel’s decision to withdraw from Gaza in 2005. The conventional wisdom is that Israel was serious about making peace with the Palestinians and that its leaders hoped the exit from Gaza would be a major step toward creating a viable Palestinian state. According to the New York Times’ Thomas L. Friedman, Israel was giving the Palestinians an opportunity to “build a decent mini-state there—a Dubai on the Mediterranean,” and if they did so, it would “fundamentally reshape the Israeli debate about whether the Palestinians can be handed most of the West Bank.”

This is pure fiction. Even before Hamas came to power, the Israelis intended to create an open-air prison for the Palestinians in Gaza and inflict great pain on them until they complied with Israel’s wishes. Dov Weisglass, Ariel Sharon’s closest adviser at the time, candidly stated that the disengagement from Gaza was aimed at halting the peace process, not encouraging it. He described the disengagement as “formaldehyde that’s necessary so that there will not be a political process with the Palestinians.” Moreover, he emphasized that the withdrawal “places the Palestinians under tremendous pressure. It forces them into a corner where they hate to be.”

Arnon Soffer, a prominent Israeli demographer who also advised Sharon, elaborated on what that pressure would look like. “When 2.5 million people live in a closed-off Gaza, it’s going to be a human catastrophe. Those people will become even bigger animals than they are today, with the aid of an insane fundamentalist Islam. The pressure at the border will be awful. It’s going to be a terrible war. So, if we want to remain alive, we will have to kill and kill and kill. All day, every day.”

In January 2006, five months after the Israelis pulled their settlers out of Gaza, Hamas won a decisive victory over Fatah in the Palestinian legislative elections. This meant trouble for Israel’s strategy because Hamas was democratically elected, well organized, not corrupt like Fatah, and unwilling to accept Israel’s existence. Israel responded by ratcheting up economic pressure on the Palestinians, but it did not work. In fact, the situation took another turn for the worse in March 2007, when Fatah and Hamas came together to form a national unity government. Hamas’s stature and political power were growing, and Israel’s divide-and-conquer strategy was unraveling.

To make matters worse, the national unity government began pushing for a long-term ceasefire. The Palestinians would end all missile attacks on Israel if the Israelis would stop arresting and assassinating Palestinians and end their economic stranglehold, opening the border crossings into Gaza.

Israel rejected that offer and with American backing set out to foment a civil war between Fatah and Hamas that would wreck the national unity government and put Fatah in charge. The plan backfired when Hamas drove Fatah out of Gaza, leaving Hamas in charge there and the more pliant Fatah in control of the West Bank. Israel then tightened the screws on the blockade around Gaza, causing even greater hardship and suffering among the Palestinians living there.

Hamas responded by continuing to fire rockets and mortars into Israel, while emphasizing that they still sought a long-term ceasefire, perhaps lasting ten years or more. This was not a noble gesture on Hamas’s part: they sought a ceasefire because the balance of power heavily favored Israel. The Israelis had no interest in a ceasefire and merely intensified the economic pressure on Gaza. But in the late spring of 2008, pressure from Israelis living under the rocket attacks led the government to agree to a six-month ceasefire starting on June 19. That agreement, which formally ended on Dec. 19, immediately preceded the present war, which began on Dec. 27.

The official Israeli position blames Hamas for undermining the ceasefire. This view is widely accepted in the United States, but it is not true. Israeli leaders disliked the ceasefire from the start, and Defense Minister Ehud Barak instructed the IDF to begin preparing for the present war while the ceasefire was being negotiated in June 2008. Furthermore, Dan Gillerman, Israel’s former ambassador to the UN, reports that Jerusalem began to prepare the propaganda campaign to sell the present war months before the conflict began. For its part, Hamas drastically reduced the number of missile attacks during the first five months of the ceasefire. A total of two rockets were fired into Israel during September and October, none by Hamas.

How did Israel behave during this same period? It continued arresting and assassinating Palestinians on the West Bank, and it continued the deadly blockade that was slowly strangling Gaza. Then on Nov. 4, as Americans voted for a new president, Israel attacked a tunnel inside Gaza and killed six Palestinians. It was the first major violation of the ceasefire, and the Palestinians—who had been “careful to maintain the ceasefire,” according to Israel’s Intelligence and Terrorism Information Center—responded by resuming rocket attacks. The calm that had prevailed since June vanished as Israel ratcheted up the blockade and its attacks into Gaza and the Palestinians hurled more rockets at Israel. It is worth noting that not a single Israeli was killed by Palestinian missiles between Nov. 4 and the launching of the war on Dec. 27.

As the violence increased, Hamas made clear that it had no interest in extending the ceasefire beyond Dec. 19, which is hardly surprising, since it had not worked as intended. In mid-December, however, Hamas informed Israel that it was still willing to negotiate a long-term ceasefire if it included an end to the arrests and assassinations as well as the lifting of the blockade. But the Israelis, having used the ceasefire to prepare for war against Hamas, rejected this overture. The bombing of Gaza commenced eight days after the failed ceasefire formally ended.

If Israel wanted to stop missile attacks from Gaza, it could have done so by arranging a long-term ceasefire with Hamas. And if Israel were genuinely interested in creating a viable Palestinian state, it could have worked with the national unity government to implement a meaningful ceasefire and change Hamas’s thinking about a two-state solution. But Israel has a different agenda: it is determined to employ the Iron Wall strategy to get the Palestinians in Gaza to accept their fate as hapless subjects of a Greater Israel.

This brutal policy is clearly reflected in Israel’s conduct of the Gaza War. Israel and its supporters claim that the IDF is going to great lengths to avoid civilian casualties, in some cases taking risks that put Israeli soldiers in jeopardy. Hardly. One reason to doubt these claims is that Israel refuses to allow reporters into the war zone: it does not want the world to see what its soldiers and bombs are doing inside Gaza. At the same time, Israel has launched a massive propaganda campaign to put a positive spin on the horror stories that do emerge.

The best evidence, however, that Israel is deliberately seeking to punish the broader population in Gaza is the death and destruction the IDF has wrought on that small piece of real estate. Israel has killed over 1,000 Palestinians and wounded more than 4,000. Over half of the casualties are civilians, and many are children. The IDF’s opening salvo on Dec. 27 took place as children were leaving school, and one of its primary targets that day was a large group of graduating police cadets, who hardly qualified as terrorists. In what Ehud Barak called “an all-out war against Hamas,” Israel has targeted a university, schools, mosques, homes, apartment buildings, government offices, and even ambulances. A senior Israeli military official, speaking on the condition of anonymity, explained the logic behind Israel’s expansive target set: “There are many aspects of Hamas, and we are trying to hit the whole spectrum, because everything is connected and everything supports terrorism against Israel.” In other words, everyone is a terrorist and everything is a legitimate target.

Israelis tend to be blunt, and they occasionally say what they are really doing. After the IDF killed 40 Palestinian civilians in a UN school on Jan. 6, Ha’aretz reported that “senior officers admit that the IDF has been using enormous firepower.” One officer explained, “For us, being cautious means being aggressive. From the minute we entered, we’ve acted like we’re at war. That creates enormous damage on the ground … I just hope those who have fled the area of Gaza City in which we are operating will describe the shock.”

One might accept that Israel is waging “a cruel, all-out war against 1.5 million Palestinian civilians,” as Ha’aretz put it in an editorial, but argue that it will eventually achieve its war aims and the rest of the world will quickly forget the horrors inflicted on the people of Gaza.

This is wishful thinking. For starters, Israel is unlikely to stop the rocket fire for any appreciable period of time unless it agrees to open Gaza’s borders and stop arresting and killing Palestinians. Israelis talk about cutting off the supply of rockets and mortars into Gaza, but weapons will continue to come in via secret tunnels and ships that sneak through Israel’s naval blockade. It will also be impossible to police all of the goods sent into Gaza through legitimate channels.

Israel could try to conquer all of Gaza and lock the place down. That would probably stop the rocket attacks if Israel deployed a large enough force. But then the IDF would be bogged down in a costly occupation against a deeply hostile population. They would eventually have to leave, and the rocket fire would resume. And if Israel fails to stop the rocket fire and keep it stopped, as seems likely, its deterrent will be diminished, not strengthened.

More importantly, there is little reason to think that the Israelis can beat Hamas into submission and get the Palestinians to live quietly in a handful of Bantustans inside Greater Israel. Israel has been humiliating, torturing, and killing Palestinians in the Occupied Territories since 1967 and has not come close to cowing them. Indeed, Hamas’s reaction to Israel’s brutality seems to lend credence to Nietzsche’s remark that what does not kill you makes you stronger.

But even if the unexpected happens and the Palestinians cave, Israel would still lose because it will become an apartheid state. As Prime Minister Ehud Olmert recently said, Israel will “face a South African-style struggle” if the Palestinians do not get a viable state of their own. “As soon as that happens,” he argued, “the state of Israel is finished.” Yet Olmert has done nothing to stop settlement expansion and create a viable Palestinian state, relying instead on the Iron Wall strategy to deal with the Palestinians.

There is also little chance that people around the world who follow the Israeli-Palestinian conflict will soon forget the appalling punishment that Israel is meting out in Gaza. The destruction is just too obvious to miss, and too many people—especially in the Arab and Islamic world—care about the Palestinians’ fate. Moreover, discourse about this longstanding conflict has undergone a sea change in the West in recent years, and many of us who were once wholly sympathetic to Israel now see that the Israelis are the victimizers and the Palestinians are the victims. What is happening in Gaza will accelerate that changing picture of the conflict and long be seen as a dark stain on Israel’s reputation.

The bottom line is that no matter what happens on the battlefield, Israel cannot win its war in Gaza. In fact, it is pursuing a strategy—with lots of help from its so-called friends in the Diaspora—that is placing its long-term future at risk. __________________________________________

John J. Mearsheimer is a professor of political science at the University of Chicago and coauthor of The Israel Lobby and U.S. Foreign Policy.

The Truth said...

I hope after reading the above you now know what the Zionist plans and don't hide and don't feel ashamed of.
Don't defend a person who condemned himself by his own confession.

Just in case are now going to use the debunked arguments:
1. Hamas is a terrorist organization, and must renounce violence
2. Hamas must recognize the Israel's right to exist

RE 1. Hamas is a national resistance against a 60+ years of occupation and land grabbing and ethnic cleansing regime. The International law grants the law to resistance, and only hypocrites deny them this right. Just as the American resisted the British occupation and were labeled as terrorists. The first to introduce terrorism to the area was the Irgun (lead by the Chief operations officer Etan Livni (Tzipi's father) bombed the King David Hotel and killed 90+ people mainly british including 4 jews, he also lead the massacre of Dair Yassin that killed 254 unarmed Palestinians) and Haganah (Jewish terrorist organization)

RE 2. Israel is not a defined entity, and once they decide on their final borders, which is something will never do, and declare their final borders to the international community, then the Palestinians, and only then will consider answering this question.

Here is a question for you, does the Zionists recognize the right of the Palestinians to exist, prove it to me besides empty rhetoric.
Another question, have you ever asked yourself what do the two blue strips surrounding the fabricated "star of David (peace be upon him)" mean?
Hint, hint.... Nile and Euphrates rivers!

Dennis said...

The LIE,

This is the biggest pile of crap I've ever seen (and I once worked on a dairy farm...I've seen a lot of crap!!!)

The idea that Israel is trying to take over the middle east (all the way to the Euphrates) is so stupid its laughable! Its just one more phony excuse to hate Jews!

It was Israel that pulled out of Gaza. In fact, they forced their own citizens out of their homes in Gaza! Why would Israel pull out of Gaza if they were trying to control more and more land?

When Israel pulled out of Gaza they were in fact recognizing the Palestinians right to exist. But rather than set about establishing a legitimate Palestinian state and taking care of their own people, their Hamas terrorist leaders continue to deny Israel's right to exist and wasted money on rockets to slaughter innocent Israeli's rather than using that money to build a decent life for the residents of Gaza!

If Hamas had not been continually shelling innocent Israeli civilians there never would have been a war in Gaza! How long can Israel just sit there and put up with the shelling of its citizens? Israel's government exhibited a LOT more patience than I would!