Friday, February 29, 2008

Gay pride trumps Constitution

According to WorldNetDaily: “At issue is the arrest of several Christians at a "gay pride" event in Wisner Park in Elmira in 2007. Julian and Gloria Raven and several others entered the park to pray silently for the participants of the event celebrating homosexual behavior.”

Apparently in Elmira, NY, political correctness even trumps the Constitutional guarantee of freedom of speech and freedom of religion! You can expect much more of this if Obama gets his way with hate crimes legislation.


L'oiseau said...

If all they did was pray silently, then how did they get arrested? Seems there's more to the story...a 'God Hates Fags' sign, perhaps?

Anonymous said...

I was at that Gay Pride Event. I'll tell you exactly what happened.

Julian Raven and his cronies were protesting on the other side of the street from the Gay Pride Event and they were getting angry that no one was paying attention to them. Julian told the police he wanted to cross the street and directly confront people at the pride festival. The police told him that if he disrupted the event, he would be arrested.

So when Mayor John Tonello went up on stage to congratulate the organizers of the festival, Julian Raven and 7 others went across the street, walked up to the stage and laid down in front of it and began to pray while the mayor was speaking. The police immediately arrested all of them and took them away.

The next day, the judge offered to drop all charges, because they were only being detained for being idiots, not being arrested for breaking the law. But Julian said he wanted to go to court because he's a drama queen and he wanted national attention.

He got his day in court and was found guilty of disturbing the peace. He got fined and he's now on probation. He COULD have just walked away, but he had to waste the courts time and he had to pay the court fees.

Dennis said...

So, let me get this straight. Julian Raven went up to the police and said, "I want to cross the street so I can directly confront the people at the gay pride festival."

Then he said, "I want to go to court becauase I'm a drama queen and want national attention."


If he wasn't doing anything illegal, why was he arrested? Are you OK with the police "detaining" someone for "being idiots?"

If they had stormed the stage, or taken the mic, or screamed and yelled, or blocked people's entrance, or attacked others; that would be disrupting the event.

But how is it disrupting the event merely to stand in front and pray?

So I guess the bottom line is that they were illegally arrested for peacefully protesting this event, and you think they were wasting the court's time and money for legally opposing their illegal arrest?

Just out of curiosity, do you think Martin Luther King was also wrong to carry out peaceful protests or to oppose his illegal arrests?

Anonymous said...

If Julian Raven had stormed the stage, he would have been tased, not arrested. The Mayor was speaking at the time Julian's group put on their "performance."

Do you think the police would have allowed the situation to escalate to the point of violence while standing back and doing nothing?

There was nothing illegal about Julian's group's arrest. It was perfectly within the polices' authority to detain people who were disturbing the peace. And maybe you don't think what they did could possibly disturb the peace, but if I went into your church, laid down in front of the alter in the middle of the service and started performing satanic rituals--even though I wasn't physically or verbally attacking anyone, I'm sure someone would call the police to have me removed.

And really, Julian Raven advocates that homosexuals should not be allowed to have equal rights under the law, while MLK advocated equal rights for everyone.

Raven and King have as much in common as you have with a Pepsi can.

Dennis said...

You can't compare a church service to a public park. If Raven had done his little protest in a gay church, I would be on your side. But protests in public places are generally considered protected speech as long as they are not disrupting things. I fail to see how standing (sitting, kneeling, laying) in a crowd located in a public park is disrupting things.

But then, I wasn't there and you were.

I was not comparing MLK with Raven, I was comparing the method of protest. In Raven's case he was silently praying. In MLK's case, he was often leading hundreds or thousands of people through the streets disrupting traffic. We now applaud MLK's protest but arrest some people who are praying on public property?

If the shoe was on the other foot...that is, if there was an anti-gay assembly in a public park and some gay activists staged a quiet sit-in in front of the stage, I would be concered if they were arrested for holding a peaceful protest.

Finally, I really don't know anything about Raven so I don't know what he advocates. I'll just take your word for it.