Saturday, November 11, 2006

Republican defeat, a victory for Iran

"TEHRAN, Nov. 10 (UPI) -- Iran's supreme leader Ayatollah Ali Khamenei said the Republicans' defeat in U.S. midterm elections was a great victory for the Iranian people."

Khamenei gets it. Why don't American voters? I sincerely hope the Democratic party surprises us all, rises to the challenge, and proves Khamenei and al-Masri wrong.


Comrade Anonymous said...

Gee, I wonder why you guys lost? It couldn't have anything to do with patronizing attitudes like the one you've expressed here, could it? Nah, the American people must be stupid.

Kevin said...

Come on... are you serious? You're buying his propoganda? Khamenei is sowing seeds of decension... a divided congress a bickering society is a society weakend. He'd love it for half of the American population to defacto distrust every decision made over the next 2 years. Democrats may screw things up... but they haven't yet... I'll wait until the actually DO something or fail to do anything significant before I blast them.

john said...

Comrade and Kevin - right on (and Kevin, I agree with your response to the previous post too). This is nothing but sour grapes, and frankly the Right should be embarassed for rhetoric like this. Is this what we have to look forward to every time the Democrats win an election as long as we face terrorism? If so, it makes me want to vote for Republicans less if this is the way they're going to act.

Dennis said...

OK, I admit it. I sometimes throw things out just to provoke a response. I’m never disappointed.

But on the other hand: Imagine a spectrum moving from right to left with those like Pat Robertson and James Dobson on the “far right,” to those like John McCain on the moderate right, to those like Joe Lieberman on the moderate left, to those like Cindy Sheehan and Michael Moore on the far left (I’ll let you decide where to put Nancy Pelosi).

Generally speaking, the farther you go toward the left on this line, the less likely you are to find support for Israel, to find support for NSA wiretaps, to find support for the Patriot Act, or to find support for various interrogation techniques. The farther you move toward the left on this line the more support you find for “cut and run” in Iraq.

Personally, I had some serious concerns about certain aspects of the Patriot Act and am adamant that NSA wiretaps should be submitted to the FISA court for approval (even if after the fact). I am also strongly against random torture of captives (I would support torture only in the most extreme cases in which hundreds of lives are at stake and there is no doubt that the one being tortured has the information necessary to stop the attack).

Nevertheless, the farther we move toward the left of this line, the more we find causes that the Jihadists would support. I agree that Khameni is shooting of his mouth, but there is an element of truth behind the rhetoric.

john said...

OK, I admit it. I sometimes throw things out just to provoke a response. I’m never disappointed.

The only surprise here is that you're admitting it.... those like Cindy Sheehan and Michael Moore on the far left...

As I mentioned in another recent thread, you like to use people on the extreme left to argue against, when in reality they hold no actual power. It's interesting that the only two who hold real political power in your spectrum (McCain and Lieberman) are the moderates of the list.

But my real question is this: you’ve stated in the past that you’ve never been a fan of the Bushes; you question why we invaded Iraq; you stated reservations here about the Patriot Act, some of the wiretapping that is done and most torture… and yet you get so upset when people criticize the President. I don’t understand the disconnect. Even if you support him on, say, issues like gay marriage, why do you react the way you do when his foreign policy is criticized? And why do you insist on linking opposition to the way the “war on terror” is being fought to some kind of support for terrorists?

Dennis said...

Well, John, I'd also put Pelosi,Kerry, Murtha and Rangel in the far left category but I was trying to make a point and didn't want it to get booged down in quibbling over whether these belonged in left or far left.

Second, you seem to misunderstand the nature of power. Just because someone doesn't hold office doesn't mean they don't have power. Rosie O'Donnel speaks to millions of people every day. She has enormous power--probably as much if not more than most congressmen. And even when she makes absolutely stupid statements, her audience aplaudes! Now that's scary!

Third, my reaction to Bush criticism depends on the nature of the criticism and how I view the integrity of the criticizer. For example, while I disagree with much of Joseph Lieberman's views, he has proven himself to be a man of sincerity and integrity. I respect his opinions even if I disagree.

In fact, if the Democratic Party were controlled by people like Joseph Lieberman I would be MUCH lest concerned for the future of America than I am right now.

I have little patience for those who seem to be devoted to supporting supporting their own party (right or wrong) and attacking the other party (right or wrong).

But my post was not really aimed at any particular Democrats--it was aimed at Democratic policies as a whole and the fact that they now control Congress. While some Republican policies are deeply troubling, when I compare Republican policies to Democratic policies as a whole, I find Democratic policies (as a whole) MUCH more troubling right now (even though I have voted Democratic and even independent in the past).